 | Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
Number of Replies: 19
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 | Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| heh, I guess cloudthresher and Raking canopy just weren't good enough. It seems like poor planning for r&d to punch out theses cards that are such a dominating force, and then have to correct it later on presumably with cards that will be super over powered. I see split second wrath of god effects for 1 colorles mana.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| spoiler 5 talks about Nicol Bolas Planeswalker, with a nifty pic.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
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| It's going to be interesting to see what Nicol Bolas does. I bet anything the big effect is target player discards their hand.
Pwn'd. |
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 | Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| I wouldn't think it's big ability would be that. I would think it's second ability would be idk -X: Target player discards X cards at random. Or something like that. But then again, I could be WAY off. |
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 | Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Josh Hendricks
Member Since: 8/7/2008
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| In a panel interview with Aaron Forsyth and Mark Rosewater, Mark appologized for Bitterblossum. They also said that they overlooked the incredible combo of vivid lands with Reflecting Pool. Also, the Nicol Bolas art is off the hook!
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." Barack Obama |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Hayden Smith
Member Since: 8/15/2008
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| The thing is, the faerie deck doesnt need fixing. It is a great deck, but it isnt even close to unbeatable! The trick is to know your enemy. Bitterblossom is the glue that holds the deck together, and there are many ways to deal with blossom. You can thoughtseize it away, wispmare and oblivion-ring are good ways to deal with it in play. Or, you can use the blossom to your advantage, by attacking with hard to handle creatures. Collossus and stillmoon cavalier come to mind. The faerie deck has from 6 to 10 counterspells, if you can play around the counterspells and survive infest, then you are in good shape to compete with faeries. Cloudthresher = dead faeries if played at the right time. Red has good game vs faeries with mogg fanatic and figure of destiny plus a ton of burn. If you land manabarbs, dead faeries are everywhere! Will these tips always work? Of course not, faeries is a great deck for a reason. But with tight play and a good game plan, you will be suprised at how beatable the faeries can be! |
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 | Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| lol, have you seen the new faerie deck in standard? They laugh at your cloudthresher and easily win without blossom. 5 of top 8 worlds decks were Fae, and it won.
"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina. |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Josh Hendricks
Member Since: 8/7/2008
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| Fae does have trouble with Kithkin, though
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." Barack Obama |
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| Rosewater should apologize for Bitterblossom. How could they not see the interaction with vivid lands and Reflecting Pool?
"True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written; in writing what deserves to be read." - Pliny the Elder |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| Not enough trouble as to where it isn't still a dominant force.
"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina. |
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| I guess they could always reprint Balance if you want a 2cc Wrath of God. Of course it's not an instant and doesn't have split second, but it also gives you an Armageddon and a Mind Twist thrown in.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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| Date Posted: 12/15/2008
Posted By: Hayden Smith
Member Since: 8/15/2008
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| Zack, i watched the worlds matchup between malin and parks. First off, parks was playing a slow 5c control deck with no early game other than rhox war monk. Parks only had 3 jund charm and 2 or 3 cloudthresher after sideboards to deal with the faerie deck. Thats just not enough. Any 5c deck built in that style needs access to playsets of thresher, esper and jund charm! Malin only went 3-3 on day one of worlds, which means that he exploded in extended and draft days 2 and 3. He got lucky in the top8 is all. You are right,Josh, in that faeries has trouble with ANY fast tempo deck. Any deck with tempo and a reasonable stratagy vs faeries should be competitive. The decks at worlds were all faeries at the top 8 almost. The kithkin deck took 1 faerie deck out and landstalled to malins deck, or he would have won that match to. The point is, faeries is beatable! You wont sucseed in winning the match all the time, but with tight play and a game plan, you will be competitive vs any deck. |
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| Date Posted: 12/16/2008
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
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| I think the idea that Faeries is way overpowered is that they have to be played against just as you said, hayden.....tight. You HAVE to be aware of everything, and if you make one slip up, game over. That is why it is overpowered. Faeries runs the 2 best cards in standard: cryptic and bitterblossom. A good Faeries player will almost always win with either one of those. That is the problem. It's not beating the deck, which most of us are very capable of doing, it's even having a chance in certain games that is the problem. You pretty much have to get one of the best draws your deck could ever get, play Kithkin or RDW, or something similar, and pray that you kill them before they kill you. That is not a way to play magic, and that is why there is no logical explanation as to why they shouldn't print a faerie fucker.
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| Date Posted: 12/16/2008
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| I thought Cloudthresher was a "Faerie Fucker" already. If they print another "Faerie Fucker," Fae decks will just run more counter and be as dominant as ever. |
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| Date Posted: 12/16/2008
Posted By: Hayden Smith
Member Since: 8/15/2008
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| Cloudthresher is a fae killer. If the faeries make more room for counter, than they will lose something else, like creatures or removal. All fae lists are different, but most have these cards in their lists = 4 mistclique , 4 spellstutter , 4 cryptic , 4 bitterblossom , 4 scion , 4 thoughtseize , 2 sower of temptation , 4 agonywarp .
This list will vary, but the core of a fae deck is there. The question is, what would you take out? You cant lose blossom, spellstutter, cryptic, or mistbind clique. I soppose that you could lose warp for more counter, but then you would die even worse to agro. These fae lists have been finetuned for about a year, i would venture to say that they are at optimal build for the current environment. If i play standard i look forward to the fae match, as it gives me a true test of my playskill, you guys should to. |
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| Date Posted: 12/16/2008
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| I am amused that there are two threads both talking about the same faerie deck! I just Opened a Window and Caught a Breeze... Jizz in my pants.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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| The basic rule seems to be that red agro/kithkin beat faeries, faeries beat 5 color control, and 5cc beats agro. Faeries faded for a time as agro decks became more popular, then 5cc decks became popular due to their ability to defeat agro and the relative absence of faeries in the format. Faeries have regained popularity of late due to the prevelance of 5cc. This should probably be cyclical with agro again rising to the top as faeries become the deck to beat.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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 | Date Posted: 12/18/2008
Posted By: Paul King
Member Since: 4/12/2008
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| I've actually heard of mono-green decks with a good matchup on the fae. I think it has to do with getting out huge tramplers and timber protector. Although mono-green probably isn't the best due to slowness compared to Fae a few good draws could defeat Bitterblossom and there are multiple ways to deal with counters. Mono-green might be a different type of deck but is interesting. Red aggro has such a good chance with Fae because the red player puts Fae on defense fast. Well timed burn spells hurt a lot and a lot of "mono-red" aggro decks splash colors like green for mass faerie killing while drawing counters out with burn spells. Kithkin is also fast, and with the loss of Damnation faeries have problems with kithkin hordes powered up by wizened cenn and such. And yes, a quick figure of destiny keeps faeries backtracking for just enough time to breathe. I've also seen elemental/makeshift decks that play wispmare; a good hoser on bitterblossom that also takes care of stray tokens. Discard also works well since fae have also lost Ancestral Visions, the main reason that faeries were always got ahead of competition, and was usually the deciding factor in mirror matches. That's all I got on faeries since the subject has benn talked about a lot already, just wanted to put my own word in.
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| Date Posted: 12/18/2008
Posted By: Hayden Smith
Member Since: 8/15/2008
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| I want to thank all of you for responding. I love a good debate, and ive definatly got one here. With my busy schedule, this makes me feel like im still playing magic, even though i dont have the time to anymore. |
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